Marie-Anne Valfort: “Yes, muslims are discriminated against in France. Yes, solutions exist”
Marie-Anne Valfort is an Associate Member at the Paris School of Economics, and professor at the University Paris 1 Panthéon-Sorbonne:
- Go to the “Religious discrimination in access to employment: a reality” press review
- Forthcoming book summarizing her research on anti-Muslim discrimination in the West: Why Muslim Integration Fails in Christian-Heritage Societies
- Go to the report in English : “Religious discrimination in access to employment: a reality” (for a summary, click here)
- Personal website: https://sites.google.com/site/mavalfortwebpage/
- PSE page: https://www.parisschoolofeconomics.eu/fr/valfort-marie-anne/
- Email: marie-anne.valfort at univ-paris1.fr
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What was the motivation for your research into Muslim integration into western societies, particularly in France?
In 2008, a CV test (1) carried out internally by the Casino group showed that French job applicants of non-European origin (Asian, African, North African) are systematically discriminated against in favour of applicants of French origin. (2) However, the degree of discrimination suffered seems to depend greatly on which region they come from. Of the three backgrounds just cited, those of North African background are most discriminated against. This particular status, being North African, suggests that it is not simply non-European origins that are at the basis of recruiter discrimination. The likelihood of a French person of North African background being Muslim (the Maghreb being mostly Muslim) seems to constitute a handicap for that person.
That was the hypothesis I wanted to test with two American colleagues, Claire Adida of the University of San Diego and David Laitin of Stanford University. So, in 2009, we launched a research programme funded by the National Science Foundation, that aimed to answer two questions: (i) do individuals experience more discrimination when they are perceived as Muslims rather than Christians? And if yes, (ii) what are the sources of that discrimination?
What did you learn from that research project? Are Muslims discriminated against simply because they are Muslims?
The answer is “yes”, unfortunately. In 2009, we conducted an experiment on CVs, which was the first to test for discrimination on the basis of religion. More precisely, in order to attribute possible differences in the response rate among our fictive candidates to their religion, we gave those candidates all the same country of origin (Senegal). We concluded from this CV trial that the assumption that someone is Muslim rather than Christian is a significant factor in discrimination in the French labour market. With the same CV, a French person of non-French background (in this case, Senegalese) is two to three times less likely to be called to a job interview if he or she is assumed to be a Muslim rather than a Christian.
What are the bases of that discrimination?
In order to identify the reasons for the discrimination, we conducted an inquiry into 500 French households of Senegalese origin who shared certain characteristics when they arrived in France, with the exception of religion (some of the households are Christian, the others Muslim). We also organised “experimental games”, during which French without a recent migrant background interacted with Christian and Muslim immigrants of Senegalese origin. The combination of these data brought to light a vicious circle that can be described as follows: the Muslims differ from their Christian peers (and a fortiori from their non-migrant French peers) in relation to religious and gender norms. They attach more importance to religion and have a more traditional view of men’s and women’s roles; these cultural differences constitute a source of discrimination on the part of employers, who fear that in recruiting a Muslim candidate, they will be confronted not only by more demands of a religious nature but also by more conflict between male and female employees. These beliefs make elisions between “stronger attachment to religion” and “rejection of secularism”, and between “more traditional view of gender roles” and “oppression of women”. In other words, they perceive the presence of Muslims as a cultural threat likely to challenge at least two main principles to which they are particularly attached: the separation of church and state, and equality between men and women. This combination leads non-migrant French to reveal themselves to be less co-operative in relation to people they perceive as Muslim, even when they expect no particular hostility from such people when they interact with them. Muslims perceive more hostility from non-migrant French than do their Christian counter-parts. This perception does not lead to them to erase the cultural differences that separate them from their host society but rather pushes them to emphasize them: these differences are inclined to deepen from one generation to the next rather than decline; in turn, this tendency to withdraw exacerbates the discrimination that Muslims experience in France.
How can we ensure better integration of Muslims in France?
First of all, the host society must understand the kind of elisions and confusions it is creating. Muslims’ stronger attachment to their religion is not synonymous with a desire to replace our democracy with a theocracy governed by Islamic law. Within the Senegalese communities we studied, Muslims are equally as attached as Christians to the principle of separation of church and state. In addition, a more traditional view of gender roles is not synonymous with the oppression of women. Yes, the Christians are more likely to think that “when jobs are scarce, men and women should have the same level of access to those jobs”, while the Muslims are more inclined to believe that in those circumstances, “men should have the first opportunities”. But our inquiry data also show that the Muslims aspire as much as their Christian counterparts to see their girls succeed at school.
Next, we must improve equal opportunities at school because that is far from assured at present. The descendants of immigrants from Muslim countries (who arrived in France with qualifications on average lower than those of the host society) also present lower academic achievements than people without recent migrant background. A study conducted by Crest (Centre de recherche en économie et statistique) showed that 28 per cent of French of whom at least one parent was born a national of a Maghreb country finished studying without obtaining a diploma. The equivalent proportion among French people with both parents born in France is 19 per cent (3).
Finally, we must act effectively against discrimination in the job market. As I just mentioned, the CVs of people who come from Muslim-majority countries are on average less “convincing” than those of non-migrant applicants. However, our research clearly shows that, with a given CV, a French person is discriminated against when he or she is perceived to be of Muslim rather than Christian origin. Consequently, firms are not simply caught up in or reflecting inequalities produced in French society as a whole; they are also contributing to deepening those inequalities through their own discriminatory behaviour.
To curb this behaviour, we need to make businesses understand that they “win” by acting to end discrimination. First, it reduces their legal risks: because discrimination on the basis of origin and religion is illegal and subject to sanctions, if it is proven, heavy fines are imposed. In order for this risk of sanction to be credible and therefore to lead firms to reduce their discriminatory behaviour, there must be greater control over their recruiting practices. So, we might imagine a public institution such as the Rights Ombudsman conducting more frequent and systematic checks. Manuel Valls’ speech of 6 March 2015 on “The Republic in action” goes in this direction. (4). The goal of the minister of justice to extend class actions to the labour market should also increase the credibility of the legal risk that firms run when they discriminate (5).
Furthermore, taking up the challenge of fighting ethno-religious discrimination allows firms to advertise themselves as socially responsible, which is a plus for attracting investment. Still, the company must be able to measure its ethno-religious diversity in order to set targets for improvement. While progress has been made in recent years in terms of gender equality and the integration of disabled people in the work place, that happened precisely because the proportion of women and disabled people was measured and considered a performance indicator in its own right be some companies (6).
It is therefore essential that the firm collect objective data, with the support of Cnil (7), at least on the nationality and place of birth of employees and their parents. This is the only way the company can show how representative is the ethno-religious composition of its work force in relation to the employment area in which it is situated (information on the ethno-religious composition of employment areas is available through INSEE’s Employment inquiry, starting from 2005). Then, it can actively promote policies aimed at improving the representativeness.
Finally, it is important to remind businesses that the few studies that have succeeded in estimating the impact of ethno-religious diversity among staff on productivity, have, up to now, shown that the impact is positive. Ethno-religious diversity boosts performance for the firm because it assembles a richer pool of skills and experiences (8).
How to access your full results?
Our results have formed the basis of five articles published in refereed journals: Annals of Economics and Statistics, Economic Inquiry, Economics and Politics, Journal of Population Economics, Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. As well, the use of data from already-existing inquiries (notably, ESS) has allowed us to generalize some of the findings made in France to other countries in Western Europe and the United States. That work appears in two articles currently under review for refereed journals.
We are trying to disseminate our results beyond these academic revues, so we have written some more accessible articles for a larger number of French media (La Vies des Idées, for example) and overseas media (in particular, the Washington Post). Also, we are about to publish a book destined for a wide audience with Harvard University Press (it will come out in 2015). This volume, entitled Why Muslim Integration Fails in Christian-Heritage Societies, synthesizes all of our results. It also contains our recommendations for public policies likely to improve the integration of Muslims in traditionally Christian societies, above and beyond the solutions I have sketched in this interview. All the references are available on my personal website (https://sites.google.com/site/mavalfortwebpage).
(1) A CV experiment consists of sending, in response to several real job advertisements, CVs and application letters from fictive applicants who are equal in all respects except one criterion (gender, origin, place of residence, etc.). If the rate of short-listing for an interview differs between these fictive applicants, then discrimination on the basis of that criterion is revealed. Indeed, discrimination in hiring has taken place when two applicants with equivalent CVs (that is, with equivalent academic and professional pathways) are treated differently by the recruiters.
(2) See http://www.groupe-casino.fr/IMG/testing.pdf
(3) See Table 3 in http://www.insee.fr/fr/ffc/docs_ffc/ES433D.pdf
(4) “The goal of the ’testing’ campaign that we will launch in autumn is to fight against all discrimination in the world of work. This testing will allow the better identification and definition of obstacles in the private sector. A specific class action will be created in order to help prove discrimination in the work place. This is a real leap forward in a domain in which individual actions almost always fail.” (Source: http://www.gouvernement.fr/partage/3596-egalite-citoyennete-la-republique-en-actes)
(5) A class action would allow those who believe they have been discriminated against by a company to sue for compensation.
(6) See http://www.institutmontaigne.org/fr/publications/dix-ans-de-politiques-de-diversite-quel-bilan
(7) The Cnil (Commission nationale de l’informatique et des libertés – National commission for data protection) is the independent administrative authority in France charged with ensuring respect for privacy, individual freedoms and civil liberties in the processing of personal data..
(8) See especially http://ftp.iza.org/dp6731.pdf
Revue de presse “Discriminations religieuses à l’embauche : une réalité”
- Musulmans: la réalité des discriminations au travail. La Tribune, 09/04/2015.
A CV équivalent, un Français d’origine extra-communautaire a entre deux et trois fois moins de chances d’être convoqué à un entretien d’embauche lorsqu’il est perçu comme musulman plutôt que chrétien. Quels sont les ressorts de cette discrimination... suite
- Complément d’enquête. Placards, discriminations au travail : le grand tabou, par Nicolas Poincaré. France 2, 08/10/2015.
Combien de zones de non-droit sont-elles cachées dans les entreprises françaises ? Au nom de l’emploi, faut-il tout accepter, la mise à l’écart comme les brimades ? Harcèlement, solitude, dépression... suite
- Si on veut être embauché, mieux vaut s’appeler Michel que Mohammed, Le Point, 08/10/2015.
Une étude de l’Institut Montaigne révèle de “fortes discriminations” à l’embauche liées à la religion, surtout envers les musulmans pratiquants... suite
- Les musulmans perçus comme pratiquants discriminés sur le marché du travail, Europe 1, 08/10/2015.
Les candidats perçus comme musulmans pratiquants ont deux fois moins de chances d’être convoqués en entretien d’embauche que les catholiques, selon les résultats d’une étude publiée jeudi par l’Institut Montaigne, qui révèle de “fortes discriminations” sur le marché du travail... suite
- Mohammed a quatre fois moins de chances d’être recruté que Michel, Libération, 08/10/2015.
C’est pas comme si c’était une surprise. Selon une étude de l’Institut Montaigne publiée aujourd’hui, un candidat perçu comme musulman pratiquant a deux fois moins de chances d’être convoqué en entretien d’embauche qu’un catholique pratiquant (10,4% contre 20,8%)... suite
- En France, Mohammed a quatre fois moins de chances d’être recruté que Michel, Le Nouvel Obs, 08/10/2015.
Sur le marché du travail, mieux vaut paraître catholique, que musulman ou juif: une étude de l’Institut Montaigne publiée jeudi révèle de “fortes discriminations” à l’embauche liées à la religion, surtout envers les musulmans pratiquants... suite
- En France, Mohammed a quatre fois moins de chances d’être recruté que Michel, L’Express, 08/10/2015.
Sur le marché du travail, mieux vaut paraître catholique, que musulman ou juif: une étude de l’Institut Montaigne publiée jeudi révèle de “fortes discriminations” à l’embauche liées à la religion... suite
- Les musulmans pratiquants seraient fortement discriminés à l’embauche, BFM Business, 08/10/2015.
Les candidats perçus comme musulmans pratiquants ont deux fois moins de chances d’être convoqués en entretien d’embauche que les catholiques... suite
- Muslims in France 4 times less likely to get job interview than Catholics: Study, Emirates 247, 08/10/2015.
Practising Muslims had 4.7% of being asked for a job interview compared to 17.9% of practising Catholics... suite
- Sur le marché du travail, mieux vaut paraître catholique, que musulman ou juif, L’Express, 08/10/2015.
Les candidats à l’embauche perçus par les recruteurs comme musulmans pratiquants ont deux fois moins de chances d’être convoqués à un entretien que les catholiques, assure une étude de l’Institut Montaigne... suite
- En France, Mohammed a quatre fois moins de chances d’être recruté que Michel, Le Figaro, 08/10/2015.
Selon une étude, les musulmans «sont beaucoup plus discriminés» par rapport aux catholiques en France « que ne le sont les Afro-Américains par rapport aux Blancs aux États-Unis »... suite
- Discrimination à l’embauche : le poids de la religion, LesNouvellesNews.fr, 09/10/2015.
Un vaste testing sur CV mené par l’économiste Marie-Anne Valfort montre « une forte discrimination à raison de la religion, notamment vis-à-vis des musulmans »... et surtout des hommes. Un double effet des stéréotypes... suite
- Would Muslims get better jobs if employers didn’t know they were Muslim?, par Adam Taylor. The Washington Post, 12/10/2015.
Roughly 4 percent of Britain’s population is estimated to be Muslim. However, British Muslims are conspicuously absent from many of the country’s top professional roles... suite
- Discriminations : l’Institut Montaigne propose une subvention à l’embauche pour les minorités, Liaisons Sociales Quotidien, 14/10/2015.
Inciter financièrement les entreprises à embaucher des candidats issus des minorités visibles, telle est la proposition originale d’une étude publiée par l’Institut Montaigne, début octobre, pour lutter contre les discriminations religieuses sur le marché du travail... suite
- Religion et discrimination au travail, par Marianne Théoleyre. France 3, 15/10/2015.
- Ce sont les hommes musulmans qui souffrent le plus de la discrimination, par Anne-Cécile Geoffroy. Liaisons Sociales Magazine, 16/10/2015.
Economiste, Marie-Anne Valfort a réalisé un immense “testing” sur CV avec l’appui de l’Institut Montaigne. Des 6231 candidatures envoyées, il ressort que ce sont les musulmans pratiquants de sexe masculin qui sont les plus désavantagés... suite
- La discrimination à l’embauche liée à la religion : résultat d’une enquête réalisée par l’Institut Montaigne, par Nadia Bey. Radio Orient, 20/10/2015.
- La religion est-elle un facteur discriminant à l’embauche ?, par Léo Potier et Myriam Desvignes. Radio Notre Dame, 23/10/2015.
- Discriminations à l’embauche : l’Etat va « tester » les grandes entreprises, par Derek Perrotte. Les Echos, 27/10/2015.
Une campagne nationale de testing va être lancée auprès des entreprises de plus de 1.000 salariés, a annoncé Manuel Valls... suite
- Hollande’s discrimination problem, par Nicholas Vinocur. Politico.eu, 03/11/2015.
Of all the reforms promised by François Hollande during his 2012 presidential campaign, pledge 30.2 — “to fight against discrimination in housing and hiring” — is one he might like to see forgotten... suite
- Des mesures ambitieuses contre les discriminations à l’embauche, Libération, 04/11/2015.
Le 26 octobre, Manuel Valls a confirmé l’engagement de son gouvernement dans la lutte contre les discriminations à l’embauche. On ne peut que s’en réjouir, car les personnes d’origine étrangère sont confrontées à une inégalité de traitement d’une exceptionnelle intensité sur le marché du travail français... suite
- New research shows that French Muslims experience extraordinary discrimination in the job market, par John Sides. The Washington Post, 23/11/2015.
In the wake of the Paris attacks, I noted previous research documenting the extent to which French Muslims experience discrimination. One important piece of evidence comes from experiments in the French job market... suite
- Discrimination Against Muslims Doesn’t End at the Border—It Extends to the Workplace, par Jennifer Swann. Take Part, 24/11/2015.
From crossing the Mediterranean Sea to finding shelter while many countries seek to close their borders, the challenges faced by Syrian refugees are numerous—and sometimes deadly... suite
- Mieux vaut s’appeler Nathalie que Samira, par Sandrine Foulon. Alternatives Économiques, 01/12/2015.
Les CV de personnes de confessions musulmane ou juive sont plus pénalisés en France que ceux des Afro-Américains aux Etats-Unis. A qualification identique, Mohammed doit envoyer quatre fois plus de CV que Michel pour décrocher un entretien d’embauche... suite
This interview was realized by PSE-Ecole d’économie de Paris and is available via the section “Economics for everyone”.